Why Elon Musk and JD Vance want a US baby boom - What in the World Podcast, BBC World Service

BBC World ServiceAbout 5 min readJun 17, 2025Watch original
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Key Concepts

Pronatalism, declining birth rates, demographic collapse, fertility rates, aging population, workforce, economic impact, "unholy alliance" (tech entrepreneurs and religious families), IVF, baby bonus, great replacement theory, race science, population growth, social services, retirement age.

Pronatalism: An Overview

The video explores the pronatalist movement, a growing group concerned about declining birth rates in developed countries, particularly the United States. They argue that fewer babies lead to a smaller workforce and a struggling economy burdened by an aging population. The proposed solution is to encourage more people to have more children.

Origins and Growth

Pronatalism, the idea that having children is a good thing, has existed for centuries. However, the current movement is driven by the dramatic decline in fertility rates over the past 50 years. Globally, fertility rates have fallen from an average of six children per woman in the 1950s to around 2.3 today. The US has experienced a particularly rapid decline in recent decades.

Movement Size and Influence

While the pronatalist movement is relatively small (a conference in March drew only a few hundred attendees), it wields significant influence due to its connections to wealthy and powerful figures in the tech industry. Key figures associated with the movement include:

  • Elon Musk: A vocal proponent of procreation, with at least 14 children.
  • Peter Thiel: Founder of PayPal and influential Silicon Valley figure.
  • JD Vance: Vice President, also connected to Silicon Valley culture.

The Collins Family: A Case Study

The video highlights Simone and Malcolm Collins, a pronatalist couple in Pennsylvania who are actively trying to have as many children as possible. They have four children through IVF due to fertility issues and are expecting their fifth. They are connected to the tech entrepreneur and Silicon Valley CEO circles, and are tech investors themselves. They identify as Calvinists and are creating a "techno puritan religion, proto religion, culture."

The "Unholy Alliance"

The pronatalist movement is a diverse coalition of seemingly disparate groups:

  • Tech Entrepreneurs: Often driven by concerns about economic decline and a desire to ensure the future workforce.
  • Traditional Christian Families: Motivated by religious beliefs and traditional values, often holding anti-abortion and anti-LGBTQ views.
  • Religious Jewish Families: Who have traditionally had lots of children.

This alliance is described as an "unholy alliance" due to conflicting values and beliefs, particularly regarding abortion, IVF, LGBTQ rights, and gender roles.

Arguments for Pronatalism and Counterarguments

Simone Collins' Perspective

Simone Collins argues that demographic collapse poses a serious threat to the most vulnerable members of society, who rely on social services funded by taxpayers. She fears that a shrinking tax base due to an aging population will lead to the collapse of essential services like pensions, infrastructure, and healthcare, resulting in widespread suffering and death.

Quote: "With demographic collapse, I'm worried not about the elite tech people that are often attributed with championing this cause, but rather the most vulnerable people in society... when you run out of taxpayers who can fund those programs... you have huge swaths of people who are not only vulnerable... but who will likely die."

Counterarguments to "Civilizational Collapse"

Stephanie Hegarty, the BBC's Population Correspondent, acknowledges the declining fertility rates but argues that the claim of inevitable civilizational collapse is an overstatement. She points out that governments have several options to address the challenges of an aging population and a shrinking workforce:

  • Increased Taxation: Taxing the population more to fund social services.
  • Raising the Retirement Age: Encouraging people to work longer.
  • Increased Female Workforce Participation: Encouraging more women to stay in the workforce.

Concerns About Racism and White Supremacy

The video raises concerns about the potential for the pronatalist movement to be associated with racist ideologies, specifically:

  • Race Science: Some speakers at pronatalist conferences have promoted "race science," the pseudoscientific belief that certain races are inherently superior to others.
  • The Great Replacement Theory: The idea that white people in the US and Europe are being replaced by people of color as part of a conspiracy by elites.

These ideas are considered racist and anti-immigration.

Potential Impact and Policy Suggestions

The video suggests that the pronatalist movement may influence government policies aimed at addressing declining birth rates. Some proposed policies include:

  • Baby Bonus: A lump sum payment to parents for having a child.
  • Investment Account for Babies: Providing a starting investment for newborns.

However, the video notes that similar policies in other countries (e.g., Hungary, South Korea, Russia) have not had a significant impact on fertility rates, as the long-term costs of raising a child far outweigh the initial financial incentive.

Synthesis/Conclusion

The pronatalist movement is a complex and controversial phenomenon driven by concerns about declining birth rates and their potential economic and social consequences. While the movement has gained traction among influential figures in the tech industry, it also faces criticism for its potential association with racist ideologies and the limited effectiveness of proposed policy solutions. The "unholy alliance" of tech entrepreneurs and religious families highlights the diverse and often conflicting motivations within the movement. Ultimately, the video suggests that addressing the barriers to having children, such as economic concerns and access to resources, may be more effective than simply encouraging people to procreate.

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