Tech Bull Run Hits a Wall: Is the Rally Over or Just Getting Started?

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Key Concepts

• Market Sentiment: The overall attitude of investors towards the market, influencing buying and selling decisions.
• Federal Reserve (The Fed): The central banking system of the United States, responsible for monetary policy, including setting interest rates.
• Interest Rates: The cost of borrowing money, which influences investment decisions and economic activity.
• Rate Cut: A reduction in interest rates by the Fed, intended to stimulate economic growth.
• Government Shutdown: A situation where non-essential government functions cease due to a failure to pass appropriations bills.
• Data Dependency (Fed): The Fed's stated policy of making decisions based on economic data.
• Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS): A government agency that collects and reports on labor market data.
• Coreweave, AMD, Nvidia, Palantir, Apple, Microsoft: Technology companies mentioned in the context of market performance and demand.
• Artificial Intelligence (AI): A technology discussed as a potential factor influencing both demand for tech products and the labor market.
• Profit Taking: The act of selling assets that have increased in value to realize gains.
• Defensive Stocks: Stocks of companies that tend to perform relatively well during economic downturns.
• Value Stocks: Stocks of companies that are considered undervalued by the market.
• Growth Stocks: Stocks of companies that are expected to grow at a faster rate than the overall market.
• Cryptocurrency (Bitcoin): Digital or virtual currency that uses cryptography for security, discussed as a speculative asset.
• CME FedWatch Tool: A market tool used by traders to gauge the likelihood of a Fed rate change.
• Basis Points (bps): A unit of measure used in finance to denote the percentage change in a financial instrument. 100 basis points equal 1%.
• IBIT Options: Options contracts related to Bitcoin, mentioned in the context of speculative plays.
• Poly Market: A platform for decentralized prediction markets.

Market Performance and Sentiment

The discussion centers on a recent dip in tech stocks, which had been on a bull run. Mitch Rochelle asserts that this is not the end of the market's upward trajectory, emphasizing that stock charts are never straight lines and always include dips and valleys. He identifies the market's primary concern as the Federal Reserve's upcoming meeting and its potential actions regarding interest rates, especially given the vacuum of data caused by the government shutdown. Rochelle highlights that the rumor of the Fed potentially not cutting rates in December was the catalyst for the market slide. He reiterates that ultimately, stock prices are driven by company earnings, and external factors like interest rates, government shutdowns, or geopolitical concerns are typically short-term influences.

Mark Le Prey echoes this sentiment, stating that they had anticipated sell-offs between the present and the end of the year, leading into what they expect to be a strong bull run into December and through early 2026. He notes that some tech companies, like Coreweave, have indicated a potential slowing in demand. However, he contrasts this with statements from companies like AMD, whose CEO, Lisa Su, described demand for their chips as "absolutely insatiable."

The Impact of the Government Shutdown and Fed Policy

A significant point of contention is the government shutdown's impact on economic data and the Fed's decision-making. Le Prey criticizes the "irresponsible chatter" from Fed governors like Lisa Cook and Hollis, who suggest that the situation doesn't warrant another rate cut. He points to the CME FedWatch tool, which now shows a 50/50 probability for a 25 basis point rate cut in December, calling this "irresponsible monetary policy." Le Prey dismisses the Fed's reliance on the lack of data due to the shutdown as "a bunch of BS," arguing that the Fed should be looking at private, real-time data sources.

Rochelle agrees that uncertainty, particularly regarding the Fed's rate cut decision and the eventual release of data as the government reopens, is causing investors to shift their risk appetite. This shift is leading some to move towards more defensive and value stocks, as they perceive some high-growth stocks to be overvalued.

Profit Taking and Investor Cash Holdings

Rochelle explains that the big tech names that have driven the market higher, such as Nvidia, Palantir, Apple, and Microsoft, are "ripe for profit taking." He observes that investors are becoming jittery, taking profits, and either moving that money into other growth names or, more commonly, into cash, where they sit for a period. He finds it fascinating that even in a high-flying market, the amount of cash sitting on the sidelines remains "overwhelming." He suggests that as interest rates come down and investors earn less on their money market funds, they will become more willing to take risks and re-enter the stock market.

Future Market Outlook and Data Sources

Le Prey expresses bullishness into Q1 of next year, anticipating that President Trump will influence the Fed's decisions. He raises a critical question about the availability of economic reports delayed by the shutdown, citing White House representatives who indicated that BLS reports and CPI reports might not be released. Le Prey criticizes the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) for its "antiquated" data compilation methods, which involve voluntary mail-in forms and result in old and inaccurate data. He praises the government shutdown for forcing the Fed to turn to "private sources of data, the accurate and real time sources of data that the hedge funds and the money managers on Wall Street use."

Le Prey argues that this private data has been indicating weakness in the jobs market, potentially due to artificial intelligence. This perceived weakness, he contends, provides the Fed with even more reason to implement a 25 or 50 basis point cut in December, as suggested by Fed Governor Moran. He concludes that any action other than a rate cut in December would be "fiscally irresponsible."

Cryptocurrency Market Analysis

The discussion shifts to the cryptocurrency market, which has seen a roughly 20% drop over the last three months, with a sharp decline the previous day. Rochelle attributes this drop, particularly in Bitcoin, to fewer speculators being active. He is not a strong proponent of crypto as a store of value but acknowledges its speculative nature. He notes that in times of uncertainty, one might expect a rotation into assets like gold, but crypto, while having some store-of-value characteristics, is also "ripe for speculation." He mentions his son's interest in placing a bet on crypto reaching a specific price on Poly Market as an example of its speculative appeal.

Mark Le Prey offers a different perspective, agreeing that crypto trades as a speculative asset and often correlates with AI and tech darling stocks. He reveals he has a "December IBIT options call play" with a Bitcoin price target of around $140,000. He references Tom Lee, a crypto bull, who revised his year-end Bitcoin price target from $300,000 to $150,000, still significantly higher than current levels. Le Prey believes these higher numbers are achievable because the "balance of the president's cryptocurrency regulation," which stalled during the government shutdown, is expected to be completed and passed by the House before the end of the year. He anticipates that the passage of this regulation will bring crypto bulls back in charge.

Conclusion

The conversation highlights the current market's sensitivity to Federal Reserve policy, particularly regarding interest rate decisions, and the disruptive impact of the government shutdown on economic data. While acknowledging short-term volatility and profit-taking in tech stocks, both strategists express optimism for a continued bull run into 2026, contingent on favorable Fed actions and the resolution of regulatory uncertainties. The role of private data sources and the speculative nature of cryptocurrencies, influenced by broader tech market trends and upcoming regulation, are also key themes.