Kramer: We thought the dotcom boom was a bubble—this time, profits anchor the market

CNBC TelevisionAbout 4 min readMar 25, 2025Watch original
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Key Concepts

  • Independent Research
  • Dotcom Bubble vs. Current Market
  • MAG Seven Companies
  • Valuation Concerns
  • Exogenous Issues (Regulation, Tariffs)
  • PE Ratios
  • Apple's China Sales Decline
  • Apple Intelligence (AI) Delay
  • Huawei's Competition
  • Government Subsidies in China
  • Tim Cook's Diplomatic Efforts
  • US-China Trade War
  • "Iron Apple Rule"
  • New iPhone Form Factor

Market Overview and Valuation Concerns

The discussion begins with a comparison between the dotcom bubble of the early 2000s and the current market. A key difference highlighted is that companies like Apple and Google now have substantial net profits (around $100-110 billion), unlike the companies during the dotcom era. While there are "frothy companies" and "stretched valuations," the market is anchored by the "MAG Seven" (Magnificent Seven) companies with significant cash flows, CapEx budgets, profits, and global reach.

Despite the strong fundamentals of these companies, concerns exist regarding valuations. Some, like Alphabet, are trading below market multiples, which is unusual for tech companies that typically command a premium due to growth expectations. Investors are worried about "overbuild," tariffs affecting tech companies like Apple, and potential regulation impacting the business models of Apple, Google (post-antitrust trial), Meta, and Amazon. These "exogenous issues" are causing uncertainty about perpetual growth.

Apple's Challenges in China

Apple is facing challenges in China, with sales down 11% in the December quarter. Sales decreased from almost $24 billion in the December quarter of 2022 to $18.5 billion in the same period of 2024. This decline is partly attributed to competition from Huawei, which has been selling iPhones in China for a couple of years.

The launch of Apple Intelligence in China is delayed until at least next year, and the initial features are considered minor, with the marquee feature being ChatGPT integration (which Apple didn't develop). To address this, Apple has partnered with Alibaba to replace OpenAI as its local AI partner in China.

Tim Cook has been actively engaging with Chinese officials, including meeting with the country's commerce minister. He has also praised Deep Six AI model (developed in China) and announced a $100 million investment in clean energy and increased investment in rural education programs. These efforts are taking place against the backdrop of a potential trade war between the US and China, with President Trump threatening more tariffs. Analysts estimate that 20% of tariffs on Chinese imports could hurt Apple's earnings by a few percentage points this year.

Apple Intelligence and Product Strategy

Apple's rollout of Apple Intelligence has been criticized for not being impressive. It's argued that Apple launched the product before it was ready, deviating from the "Iron Apple Rule" established during the Steve Jobs era, which emphasized launching products only when they were ready to ship in two weeks. This premature launch was likely driven by the need to demonstrate AI capabilities and keep pace with competitors.

Despite the underwhelming AI features, the discussion suggests that a new iPhone form factor, such as a slim iPhone 17, might be more appealing to consumers than advanced AI features. With a large installed base of 1.35 billion users, many customers primarily seek a new product design.

China Rollout and Future Prospects

Apple Intelligence in China will likely be the same as the current version, with Alibaba's chatbot replacing ChatGPT. The rollout is expected to occur before WWDC, possibly next month or in May, to make a marketing push in this crucial market. However, the features are not comparable to those offered by competitors like Huawei.

Ultimately, hardware innovation, such as a slim iPhone, could be a game-changer for Apple in China. Chinese customers tend to prefer devices with bigger and better features, including foldable phones. Therefore, Apple needs to innovate in both software and hardware to regain momentum in the Chinese market.

Conclusion

The discussion highlights the complex challenges and opportunities facing Apple. While the company benefits from strong fundamentals and a loyal customer base, it must navigate valuation concerns, regulatory pressures, and intense competition in key markets like China. The success of Apple Intelligence and the introduction of innovative hardware designs will be crucial for Apple's future growth and profitability.

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