THIS IS A SILVER STACKERS' WORST NIGHTMARE

By Silver Dragons

Precious Metals MarketInvestment StrategyNumismaticsEconomic Scenarios
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Key Concepts

  • Bid and Ask Prices: The price a buyer is willing to pay (bid) and the price a seller is willing to accept (ask). In the paper market, these are starting points for negotiation on large contracts. For physical silver in a coin shop, the difference is often negligible, and the spot price is more relevant.
  • Spot Price: The current market price for immediate delivery of a commodity, serving as the base for pricing physical silver.
  • Junk Silver (Circulated Silver Coinage): Silver coins that are no longer in mint condition, often used in barter scenarios. Their value in a SHTF (Shit Hits The Fan) scenario is expected to be determined by negotiation based on supply and demand.
  • SHTF Scenario: A hypothetical situation where societal collapse occurs, leading to a breakdown of normal economic systems.
  • Mexican Libertad: A silver bullion coin minted by the Bank of Mexico. While technically a coin, its classification as a "coin" versus a "round" can be a matter of opinion and market perception.
  • Refiners: Companies that process raw precious metals into usable forms. They are currently experiencing backlogs due to a glut of alloyed silver.
  • Sterling Silver: An alloy of silver containing 92.5% silver and 7.5% other metals, typically copper.
  • 90% Silver: Refers to U.S. silver coinage minted before 1965, which contains 90% silver and 10% copper.
  • Alloyed Silver: Silver mixed with other metals, such as sterling silver and 90% silver coinage.
  • Pure Silver Bullion: Silver in its most refined form, such as Silver Eagles and Maples, which are 99.9% pure silver.
  • Dollar Cost Averaging (DCA): An investment strategy of investing a fixed amount of money at regular intervals, regardless of market fluctuations.
  • Weight as Minted vs. Circulated: The difference in silver content between a brand-new coin (weight as minted) and a coin that has undergone wear and tear from circulation. For U.S. dimes, 72.34% is the minted weight, while 71.5% is the industry standard for circulated bulk.

Bid vs. Ask Prices and Spot Price

The discussion clarifies the distinction between bid and ask prices, primarily relevant in the "paper market" for large, institutional trades (e.g., 10,000-ounce contracts). Here, the bid is the buyer's price, and the ask is the seller's price, forming the basis for negotiation. However, for physical silver transactions in a coin shop, the difference between bid and ask is typically around ten cents and is considered insignificant. The more crucial metric for consumers is the spot price, which is the current market price for immediate delivery and serves as the foundation for all pricing. The speakers express interest in viewer input regarding the nuances of bid and ask, acknowledging the complexity and potential for varied interpretations.

Junk Silver and Pricing in an SHTF Scenario

In a hypothetical SHTF scenario, the pricing of "junk silver" (circulated silver coinage) is predicted to be entirely driven by negotiation. The value of a silver dime or quarter would depend on the immediate needs and bargaining power of the parties involved, similar to how bid and ask prices initiate negotiations in the paper market. Factors like hunger and the availability of goods (e.g., cans of beans) would influence the exchange rate. Brandon suggests that supply and demand for specific items at that time will be paramount, drawing an analogy to OPEC and food-for-oil trades. The speaker emphasizes that the individual holding the most desired commodity (like food when people are hungry) will likely have the upper hand, even if others possess significant amounts of silver.

Legality of Owning Precious Metals

The question of whether owning coins is safer than bars if metals become illegal to own is addressed. Bill, a lawyer, expresses skepticism about this scenario, suggesting that if such a drastic political shift occurred (e.g., "communists take over"), there would be far greater concerns than the legality of owning silver. The historical context of gold ownership being restricted in the past is explained: it was not outright illegal, but personal limits were imposed, and gold was needed to recapitalize the international monetary system after a depression. The speaker argues that gold, at its current market value, lacks the necessary capacity to serve as a basis for a global monetary system, requiring a price in the tens of thousands of dollars per ounce. The fact that the U.S. government mints Eagles and Buffalos, and even China produces Pandas, suggests that these entities are invested in the precious metals market and are unlikely to make them illegal to own. A potential indicator of such a move would be the cessation of bullion sales.

Mexican Libertad: Coin or Round?

The classification of the Mexican Libertad as a coin or a round is debated. While it is minted by the Bank of Mexico and features a standard coin legend and date, some in the industry previously considered it a "generic round" due to the absence of a face value in pesos. However, the prevailing sentiment among the speakers and the general public is to consider it a coin, largely based on its appearance and issuer. One anecdote highlights a shop that initially sold them as rounds but later reclassified them as "government ounces" after realizing their nature. Ultimately, it's presented as a matter of opinion, though the speakers lean towards classifying it as a coin.

Selling Silver in the Future and Market Conditions

The current market for selling silver is described as more challenging than in the recent past. Refiners are backed up and not purchasing alloyed silver (sterling and 90%), creating a bottleneck for dealers. This has led some shops to stop buying these items altogether. The concern is that once refiners catch up, the accumulated silver might flood the market again, perpetuating the issue.

Recommendations for Selling:

  • Sell in smaller quantities: If you need to sell silver for immediate needs, bring it in smaller amounts rather than a large bulk. Dealers are more likely to purchase smaller quantities consistently.
  • Have an exit plan: When investing in precious metals, individuals are responsible for their own financial future, which includes planning how to dispose of their holdings.
  • Prioritize pure silver for liquidity: In times of emergency or when needing to sell quickly, pure silver bullion (eagles, maples) is more liquid and commands a better premium than alloyed silver.

Silver Shortage Looming?

The speakers express skepticism about an imminent, true silver shortage. While demand is increasing due to industrial applications (batteries, solar panels, electronics), it is not currently outstripping supply to the extent of creating a critical shortage. The recent price spikes are attributed primarily to investment demand driven by factors like dollar debasement fears and general economic uncertainty, rather than solely industrial needs. The idea of vaults in London running out of silver is mentioned but not confirmed. The argument is made that if investment demand ceased, and silver flowed solely to industries, prices would be significantly lower.

Technical Details: Silver Content in U.S. Dimes

A technical question arises regarding the silver content of U.S. dimes. The discrepancy between 71.5% and 72.34% is explained. 72.34% represents the silver content of a dime when it is brand new and uncirculated ("weight as minted"). However, the industry standard for bulk transactions of circulated coinage is 71.5%, accounting for the wear and loss of metal over time. While a brand-new coin would indeed be 72.34%, the average weight of circulated dimes, especially older ones like "slick barber quarters and dimes," would be less. For practical purposes at the individual level, this difference is considered minor, as wholesalers typically deal with mixed bags of circulated coins sold by face value, not precise weight.

Free Appraisals and Building Relationships

Brandon confirms that appraisals of coin collections and silver stacks are free at their shop. While some shops may charge hourly fees, reputable establishments generally do not, unless the collection is exceptionally large. The motivation behind offering free appraisals is not solely altruistic but also strategic: to build relationships and be considered when the client is ready to sell. They acknowledge that clients may return years later, making the initial effort worthwhile.

Refiners Pausing Purchases of Sterling and 90% Silver

This section delves into the current bottleneck in the alloyed silver market. The recent spike in silver prices (over $50-$52 per ounce) led to a surge of sterling, 90% silver, war nickels, and 40% Kennedys coming out of hiding. This has glutted the refiners, causing significant backlogs. Consequently, refiners are not currently buying alloyed silver, creating cash flow problems for dealers. The concern is that once refiners catch up, the stored alloyed silver could flood the market again.

Advice for Holders of Sterling/90% Silver:

  • Hold: If immediate cash is not required, holding onto the silver is an option.
  • Sell Pure Silver: Pure silver bullion (eagles, maples) is more liquid and has a more ready audience.
  • Diversify: Having a diverse stack of different types of silver provides options for selling based on market conditions.

The speakers acknowledge that while they are buying alloyed silver, it's a short-term bottleneck that refiners are working to resolve. They advise against buying alloyed silver for short-term flips but see no issue with it for long-term holding.

Market Outlook: Will Silver Dip More? Should I Buy Now or Wait?

The consensus on market timing is to stick to your plan. If you have a pre-defined investment strategy, such as dollar cost averaging, adhere to it regardless of market fluctuations or external advice. Dips are inevitable in any market, but the current fluctuations are occurring at a historically high level.

Key Takeaways on Buying Strategy:

  • Work your plan: Don't alter your investment strategy based on short-term market movements or external opinions.
  • Dollar Cost Averaging (DCA): This method is highly recommended. Investing a fixed amount regularly over a long period mitigates the risk of buying at a peak.
  • Long-term perspective: If investing for the long term, focus on consistent buying rather than trying to time the market. The speakers admit to sometimes holding back when prices are high, but this has led them to miss opportunities during subsequent dips.

Conclusion

The video addresses a range of practical and speculative questions surrounding silver investment. It clarifies fundamental concepts like bid/ask and spot prices, discusses the potential for barter in crisis scenarios, and offers insights into the current challenges in the alloyed silver market due to refiner backlogs. While acknowledging increased industrial demand, the speakers remain cautious about predicting a true silver shortage, attributing recent price surges to investment sentiment. The overarching advice for investors is to maintain a disciplined approach, particularly through dollar cost averaging, and to have a clear exit strategy for their holdings. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding market dynamics, having a diversified portfolio, and making informed decisions based on personal financial plans rather than market speculation.

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