Portable mortgages disrupt market as home values plummet

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Key Concepts

• Government Intervention in Housing: The detrimental effects of government policies and subsidies on housing affordability and market efficiency.
• Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac: The role of these government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) in distorting the mortgage market and crowding out private enterprise.
• Housing Affordability: Factors contributing to the lack of affordability, including government intervention, zoning laws, and the need for a booming economy.
• Tariffs and Executive Orders: The constitutionality and economic implications of tariffs imposed via executive order, particularly concerning revenue generation and potential Supreme Court rulings.
• Value-Added Tax (VAT): The concept of a hidden sales tax and its appeal to governments for revenue generation.

Government Intervention and Housing Market Distortion

Steve Forbes argues that government intervention has consistently harmed housing affordability. He points to the fact that approximately 85% of mortgages are now tied to government entities like Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, or the VA, a situation that has persisted for about 15 years since the bailout. Forbes advocates for breaking up these entities to allow private sector reemergence. He draws a parallel to the "Baby Bells" breakup, suggesting a similar approach for the mortgage market.

A key issue highlighted is the lack of portable mortgages. Forbes questions why individuals cannot take their existing mortgage to a new home, assuming they qualify. He contrasts the ease of building housing developments in states like Texas, Georgia, or Florida, where projects can be approved within weeks, with the lengthy, "lifetime" approval processes in California.

Dagen concurs, stating that "everything that the government has ever done, and housing, has screwed it up for people." He argues that government subsidies, such as the mortgage interest deduction and property tax deduction, along with Freddie Mac's backing for cheap mortgages, have made housing unaffordable. Dagen believes the only solution for affordability is a fall in home prices. He cites Zillow data indicating that 53% of homes have lost value in the last year, the largest percentage since 2012. Dagen expresses concern that the government might intervene to prop up prices, preventing the market from opening up to those priced out and forced to rent.

Forbes acknowledges that homeowners might view falling home values negatively, especially with a mortgage. He suggests that reforms to make building easier, coupled with higher wages and a booming economy, are the solutions. He reiterates that removing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from the market is crucial, as they have "screwed it up" by lowering standards and down payments, thereby increasing the risk they guarantee and driving out private sector participation. Forbes calls for "real free enterprise" at both national and local levels, including zoning laws.

Dagen notes that politicians and government officials face "incredible pressure" from realtors regarding these issues.

Parallels Between Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac and Britney Spears' Conservatorship

In a somewhat unconventional analogy, Forbes draws parallels between the situations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and Britney Spears' conservatorship. He states, "I see a lot of parallels." He humorously questions what is "worse and more restrictive, Britney Spears or Freddie and Fannie." He notes that Britney "was in need of cajoling in 20007, her mental well being has declined since them, same for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac."

President Trump's Tariff Checks and Economic Implications

The discussion shifts to President Trump's proposal of sending out $2,000 "tariff checks." According to an analysis by the Yale Budget Lab, this initiative would cost $450 billion. The Yale Budget Lab reportedly stated that the checks would not be inflationary. Scott Bessent, however, indicated that such a measure would require an act of Congress.

Forbes expresses personal disapproval of direct checks to people, questioning the source of the money. He explains that the administration is counting on hundreds of billions in tariff revenues. However, he anticipates a Supreme Court ruling that could deem over half of these tariffs unconstitutional, as they were implemented via executive order rather than through Congress. The Treasury Department has acknowledged that tariffs are a tax, which is why tariffs on foodstuffs are lower due to public sensitivity to high prices. Forbes believes the court will rule that taxes must be passed through Congress. He estimates that 55% to 75% of the projected tariff revenue would "go poof." While the collected revenue would not need to be repaid, future collection would require congressional approval, which is a "different kettle of fish" than an executive order.

Dagen agrees, calling the tariff conversation "stingy." He advises, "Don't spend that $2,000." He humorously notes that for someone with 10 children, this would amount to $20,000.

Forbes then points out that Democrats "love this tariff thing." He explains that they love it because it is "hidden" and people cannot easily see how it affects them. He describes it as a "little sliver of a valued tack" (likely a misstatement for "value-added tax") and suggests that if these tariffs remain in place, they will "never go away."

Dagen concludes by agreeing, stating, "You hit it. Value added tax, the hidden sales tax that other country in world love, they raise revenue."

Synthesis/Conclusion

The core takeaway from this discussion is a strong critique of government intervention in the housing market, particularly through entities like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which are seen as distorting the market and hindering affordability. The proposed solutions involve deregulation, promoting private enterprise, and fostering a booming economy with higher wages. The conversation also delves into the economic and constitutional challenges of tariffs imposed via executive order, highlighting the potential for significant revenue loss if such actions are deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Finally, the concept of a hidden Value-Added Tax (VAT) is introduced as a revenue-generating tool favored by governments.