No October jobs report today: How the lack of data is hampering Fed policy and markets

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Key Concepts

• Dual Mandate: The Federal Reserve's responsibility to promote maximum employment and stable prices (inflation).
• Neutral Rate: The theoretical interest rate that neither stimulates nor restrains the economy.
• Wall of Worry: A market condition where investors are concerned about various economic factors, potentially leading to volatility.
• Catalyst: An event or piece of data that can significantly influence market direction.
• Dovish Stance: A monetary policy approach favoring lower interest rates to stimulate economic growth.
• Mag 7: Refers to the seven largest technology companies that have been driving market performance.

The Fed's Divided Stance and the Dual Mandate

Roger Ferguson highlights a "dueling Fed" scenario, where different Federal Reserve officials hold contrasting views on monetary policy. He notes that while some governors, like Governor Myron, are considering the "neutral rate" as a rationale for reducing interest rates, the majority of Fed officials remain cautious and largely in their previous stance. Ferguson describes the current situation as a "wait and see" approach, with the Fed being "very much divided."

He further elaborates on the dual mandate, suggesting that both sides might be "somewhat disappointing." Inflation is running above the 2% target, likely around 3%, while the labor market, though showing signs of gradual weakening, is described as a "low high or low fire labor market that's pretty unusual." This presents the Fed with a dilemma, as neither objective is definitively being met.

Investor Concerns and Market Catalysts

Sarah Malik identifies three primary reasons for a "taller wall of worry" for investors:

1. AI Spending: Concerns stemming from recent Meta results regarding the pace and impact of AI investments.
2. Pace of Rate Cuts: Uncertainty about whether the Federal Reserve will cut rates quickly enough to satisfy investor expectations.
3. Employment Market Data: Recent data, such as Challenger's report showing the worst figures in 22 years, indicating potential labor market weakness.

Malik suggests that investors need one of two catalysts to provide clarity and direction:

• Government Reopening: A resolution to the government shutdown would bring certainty to economic data and provide a clearer outlook on potential rate cuts in December.
• Tech Stock Performance: Nvidia's earnings report on November 19th is seen as a potential catalyst to revive tech stocks, which have been the primary market drivers.

Until one of these catalysts materializes, Malik anticipates markets will remain mixed and likely volatile to the downside.

Outlook on Rate Cuts and Economic Weakness

Sarah Malik's Perspective: Malik believes there will be three more rate cuts over the next 12 months. While acknowledging that a December cut is not guaranteed due to insufficient data, she anticipates a gradual pace of rate reductions. This is based on inflation being manageable (around 3%) and weakening employment data, citing claims driven by government layoffs and Challenger data. She argues that the slowing economy and employment markets will prompt the Fed to cut rates three more times.

Roger Ferguson's Perspective: Ferguson expresses less certainty about the number of rate cuts. He states that the Fed "does not know what it's going to do" as a consensus is hard to find, describing it as an "even divided Fed." While hoping inflation comes down, he is "not 100% confident." He views the job market as "somewhat easing but not necessarily falling off a cliff." Therefore, he would not consider three cuts to be "in the bag" and emphasizes that the situation is "incredibly uncertain" and "data dependent," requiring a "meeting the meeting, wait and see" approach.

The Fed Chair Succession

Ferguson states that Fed officials do not discuss the potential successor to Jerome Powell with him. He believes only President Trump knows the answer and speculates that someone named Kevin, possibly Kevin Hassid, might be appointed.

Sarah Malik notes that while she doesn't have a personal opinion on the successor, her firm is watching the situation closely. She believes that whoever takes the position will likely adopt a "somewhat dovish" stance on rate cuts, which supports her expectation of future rate reductions.

Consumer Weakness and Market Narrowness

Malik points to the consumer as another area of potential weakness. Consumer companies are reporting weak earnings, with the "lower-end consumer really struggling" and "trading down." The "higher-end consumer is really carrying this market." This narrowness in market performance, with only the "Mag 7" leading, and the struggles of a segment of the consumer base, along with poor sentiment, are concerning for the markets.

Positive Note: Third Quarter Earnings

Despite the concerns, Malik highlights a positive aspect: third-quarter earnings are coming in at a strong +10% year-over-year. This is identified as the "one strong note that is keeping this economy chugging along."

Conclusion

The transcript depicts a Federal Reserve grappling with conflicting signals from the economy, leading to an uncertain monetary policy path. Investors are facing a "wall of worry" driven by AI spending, the pace of rate cuts, and labor market data. While some anticipate multiple rate cuts based on expected economic slowdown and manageable inflation, others emphasize the Fed's division and the need for more data. The consumer segment is showing signs of strain, contributing to market narrowness. However, strong third-quarter earnings offer a glimmer of optimism for the economy's resilience. The market awaits key catalysts, such as government reopening and tech earnings, to provide clearer direction.