LIVE: Fed Governor Stephen Miran delivers remarks at the University of Cambridge Business School

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Key Concepts

• Inflation Measurement: Challenges in accurately measuring inflation, particularly concerning housing and financial services.
• Monetary Policy Stance: Debate on whether current Federal Reserve policy is too restrictive.
• Dollarization: The enduring strength of the US dollar as a global reserve currency.
• Stablecoins: Their potential role in financial inclusion and impact on demand for US dollar assets.
• Central Bank Independence: The importance of political neutrality for effective monetary policy.
• Federal Reserve Balance Sheet: Management of losses and the role of interest on reserves.
• Neutral Rate (r*): Factors influencing the long-term equilibrium interest rate, including demographics and technology.
• Heterogeneous Agent Models: The evolving use of models that account for income and wealth distribution.
• Artificial Intelligence (AI): Potential impact on productivity and the neutral rate.

State of the US Economy and Monetary Policy

Main Topics and Key Points:

• Federal Reserve Mandates: The Federal Reserve's primary objectives are stable prices and maximum employment.
• Inflation Outlook: Governor Marin believes inflation will decline, citing measurement issues. He estimates underlying inflation is closer to 2%, with market-based measures around 2.3-2.4%.
• Housing Inflation Measurement: A significant contributor to measured inflation is housing, which lags market rents by a considerable margin. Measured shelter inflation is around 3.5%, while market rents are closer to 1%. This lag is attributed to lease resets.
• Immigration's Impact: A substantial immigration-driven population growth shock occurred in the US, with rapid reversals, which is expected to help bring down shelter inflation.
• Phantom Inflation: The Personal Consumption Expenditures (PCE) index, targeted by the Fed, includes "non-market prices" and "phantom inflation." An example is portfolio management services, where fees increase with asset appreciation, being recorded as a price increase rather than a quantity increase. This can lead monetary policy to respond to stock market gains, which Governor Marin deems illogical.
• Policy Stance: Governor Marin believes Fed policy is too restrictive and is being made on a backward-looking basis, responding to past events (e.g., 2022 rent increases) and imputed prices rather than current supply-demand imbalances. Policy should be forward-looking.
• Economic Growth: Data is scarce, but Governor Marin anticipates positive growth driven by deregulation and reduced trade uncertainty. However, he reiterates that monetary policy remains too restrictive.
• Fed Division: The Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) is divided on policy. Governor Marin's view (policy too restrictive) contrasts with some colleagues who see robust financial conditions (equity and housing markets rallying) and are cautious about betting on disinflation before it materializes.
• Labor Market: While appearing "a little soft," there are questions about its true state. Immigration's changing nature makes the labor market difficult to read.
• Cautious Approach: The Fed is cautious due to past misjudgments on inflation persistence and the difficulty in reading the labor market. Policy is expected to remain cautious until more evidence emerges.

Supporting Evidence/Arguments:

• Governor Marin: Argues that measured inflation is backward-looking due to housing measurement lags and includes phantom inflation from financial services. He believes underlying inflation is closer to 2%. He advocates for forward-looking policy.
• Roger Ferguson: Acknowledges the dilemma, noting strong arguments for policy being too restrictive but also counterarguments based on robust financial conditions. He highlights the labor market's ambiguity and the Fed's caution. He mentions Chair Powell's statement that the "next step is far from certain."

The International Role of the Dollar and Stablecoins

Main Topics and Key Points:

• Dollar's Dominance: The international role of the dollar remains extremely strong, with no real evidence of significant change. It is central to global finance and trade, providing an enormous asset to the US.
• Reserve Currency Criteria: A reserve currency requires deep and liquid markets, rule of law, and other attributes that the US possesses to a high degree.
• Marginal Degradation: While the dollar is unchallenged, there's a slight degradation at the margin, with international reserves in dollars decreasing from 60-70% to just above 50%.
• Stablecoins and Financial Infrastructure: Governor Marin's speech highlighted that while US capital markets are deep, the financial infrastructure could use a "reboot," with stablecoins potentially leading the way.
• Stablecoin Mechanics (US Context): Under the proposed "Genius Act," US stablecoins would not offer yield or deposit insurance. If backed by high-quality liquid collateral (Treasury securities, Fed reserves), they would be high-quality savings/transaction instruments but without yield.
• Stablecoin Adoption Drivers:
  • Limited Incentive in Developed Economies: In countries like the UK and EU, individuals have easy access to dollar savings instruments with yield and deposit insurance, reducing the incentive to use stablecoins for savings.
  • Financial Inclusion: Stablecoins are expected to see significant uptake in countries lacking access to dollar savings instruments, capital controls, or robust local banking services. They provide a technological solution for accessing dollar instruments.
• Analogy to Ride-Sharing: Stablecoins are compared to ride-sharing apps that bypassed the taxi medallion monopoly, providing a technological means to access services previously restricted by market structures.
• Impact on US Savings Vehicles: If stablecoin growth forecasts are taken seriously, they imply new demand for US dollar savings instruments (Treasury bills, notes, deposits, repos).
• Global Savings Glut Context: Governor Marin places potential stablecoin demand in the context of the "global savings glut" of 20-25 years ago, where central banks recycled export surpluses into dollar reserves, lowering US interest rates. He estimates stablecoin growth could be 30-60% the size of the original global savings glut, with material implications for monetary policy.
• Roger Ferguson's Perspective on Stablecoins:
  • Agreement: Broadly agrees that dollar-backed stablecoins are primarily for citizens in countries lacking trust in their local currency and having access to technology. This is a technical version of dollarization.
  • Technology Angle: In countries like the US and UK, the technology itself might be interesting. The key question is whether stablecoins can serve as a medium of exchange in e-commerce, potentially offering a purely electronic alternative to credit/debit cards.
  • Speculative Forecasts: Expresses skepticism about precise forecasts for stablecoin growth and its impact on the global savings glut, emphasizing the need to see how it unfolds.

Supporting Evidence/Arguments:

• Governor Marin: Cites the lack of yield and deposit insurance in US stablecoins as a deterrent for savings in developed markets. Uses the taxi medallion analogy to explain how stablecoins can bypass existing barriers. Quantifies potential impact by comparing to the global savings glut.
• Roger Ferguson: Focuses on the "medium of exchange" aspect and the potential for e-commerce use cases.

Risk Evaluation and Monetary Policy Implications

Main Topics and Key Points:

• Known Unknowns and Unknown Unknowns: Risk evaluation involves considering both predictable and unpredictable shocks.
• Immigration and Economic Shocks:
  • Labor Market: Generally, immigration increases both labor supply and demand, with minimal net impact on monetary policy unless there are specific market imbalances.
  • Housing Market: This is a key exception. Housing supply is "sticky" and doesn't adjust quickly. Therefore, immigration shocks significantly impact housing prices, contributing to inflation. The reversal of this shock is expected to drive disinflation.
• Forward-Looking Policy: The Fed needs to identify shocks, understand their impact correctly, and anticipate future risks.
• Trade Uncertainty: While some trade uncertainty has resolved, the US-China trade relationship remains a periodic source of uncertainty.
• Risks to Inflation and Employment: The Fed assesses risks to both inflation and employment, considering whether they are on the upside or downside.
• Governor Marin's Inflation View: His inflation outlook is heavily predicated on the backward-looking nature of measured shelter inflation, which he expects to decline significantly, overriding other inflationary pressures. His primary risk of being wrong lies in shelter inflation not declining as expected.
• Climate/Weather Shocks:
  • Governor Marin's Stance: He believes it is inappropriate for the central bank to make monetary policy for political purposes. Central bank independence is critical, and policy should adhere to congressional mandates (stable prices, maximum employment). Addressing climate shocks would be stepping outside their terrain.
  • Inflationary Impact: If climate or weather shocks lead to persistent inflation, the central bank would respond to the rate of inflation. However, one-off shocks that temporarily move prices would not warrant a policy response.
• Roger Ferguson's Stance on Climate Shocks: Strongly agrees with Governor Marin. Emphasizes that independent central banks must follow their congressional mandate. He notes that the debate for reducing rates often centers on the labor market, not necessarily the disinflationary potential of housing. He finds the labor market argument ambiguous, as the unemployment rate hasn't moved significantly, suggesting a potential supply-demand balance rather than an imbalance.
• Governor Marin's Response to Labor Market Argument: He views elevated measured inflation as an artifact of statistical measurement. Maintaining tight policy in response to such artifacts could create the labor market weakness the Fed aims to avoid. He stresses the complexity of inflation measurement and the need to discern actual supply-demand imbalances from measurement issues.

Supporting Evidence/Arguments:

• Governor Marin: Uses the example of immigration's differential impact on labor vs. housing markets to illustrate how shocks affect different sectors. He explicitly states his concern about policy responding to measurement artifacts.
• Roger Ferguson: Highlights the intellectual challenge for the Fed in interpreting labor market data and the differing arguments for rate cuts.

Federal Reserve Communication and Independence

Main Topics and Key Points:

• Fed Communication:
  • Transparency: Governor Marin advocates for transparency, including openly sharing his out-of-consensus views to avoid groupthink and indicating where he might be wrong.
  • Admitting Fallibility: There's a need for honesty and humility about the limits of economic knowledge.
  • Market Interpretation: Roger Ferguson notes that the market often misinterprets Fed communications, particularly the "dot plots," expecting promises where there are only contingent statements. Journalists and market participants need to be more nuanced.
  • Dot Plots: The Summary of Economic Projections (SEP), including dot plots, is a complex set of 19 conditional statements, not a prediction. There's a challenge in explaining this clearly, as the market seeks certainty.
• Central Bank Independence:
  • Importance: Governor Marin stresses that central bank independence is crucial for effective monetary policy. The best way to preserve it is to be perceived as strictly non-political and focused solely on mandates.
  • Historical Context: Roger Ferguson reminds that the Fed was not formally independent until 1951, having supported government borrowing during WWII. The 1951 Accord was a significant step.
  • Threats to Independence: The question of threats to independence (referencing attempts to remove Fed officials) was raised. Governor Marin stated he doesn't make personnel decisions but reiterated the importance of non-political operation.
  • Maintaining Independence: Sticking to the mandate and avoiding involvement in political or social issues is key to maintaining independence.
  • Dollarization and Independence: Roger Ferguson noted that an independent central bank is also crucial to fight against potential dollarization.
• Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs):
  • Fed's Stance: The Federal Reserve is not currently working on a CBDC.
  • Governor Marin's Personal View: He is inclined to believe that privacy and the right to engage in commerce without undue government oversight are important. He expresses concern about potential overzealous and capricious regulators using a CBDC to de-bank industries or individuals, drawing parallels to recent banking reputational risk issues. He is not enthusiastic from a civil liberties perspective.
• Fed's Balance Sheet Losses:
  • Cause: Losses on the Fed's balance sheet are partly due to aggressive use of the balance sheet for economic purposes (quantitative easing).
  • Proposals: Proposals to stop paying interest on reserves to reduce losses were mentioned.
  • Governor Marin's View: He supports using the balance sheet as a tool for monetary policy but advocates for more judicious use than in the past. He believes removing interest on reserves is downstream of improving the bank regulatory framework, which would allow for a smaller balance sheet.
  • Roger Ferguson's View: He emphasizes that credibility is paramount. While losses can be a problem for some central banks, it's not the Fed's primary issue. He highlights the balance sheet's role in financial stability (e.g., 9/11) and stresses the need for a clear framework for its use and return to normalcy. He advises against reducing the Fed's tools, including interest on reserves.
• Incentive Structure for the Fed:
  • Question: What incentivizes the Fed to do a good job, given it's a government monopoly with low employee dismissal rates?
  • Response: Oversight by Congress is the primary mechanism. Historically, periods without a central bank coincided with severe boom-bust cycles. The Fed was created to address this. An independent Fed, with its mandate from Congress, has historically provided a more positive outcome for citizens compared to alternatives.

Supporting Evidence/Arguments:

• Governor Marin: Emphasizes transparency and admitting fallibility. He links central bank independence to non-political operation. He expresses personal concerns about CBDCs based on potential regulatory overreach.
• Roger Ferguson: Discusses market misinterpretation of Fed communications and the complexity of dot plots. He highlights historical context for Fed independence and the importance of a framework for balance sheet use. He argues for the historical benefit of an independent central bank.

The Neutral Rate and Future Economic Trajectory

Main Topics and Key Points:

• Neutral Rate (r*): The long-term equilibrium interest rate that neither stimulates nor restrains the economy.
• Governor Marin's View on Neutral Rate:
  • Movement: He has moved from the top end of the FOMC's range for the neutral rate last year to the bottom end this year. His out-of-consensus view is on the speed of this movement.
  • Drivers: He attributes the rapid movement to "gargantuan" shocks to the US economy, particularly the population growth shock (30 years of change in 3 years). Normally, drivers like fertility and population growth change slowly, leading to glacial shifts in the neutral rate.
  • Long-Term Trends: Decreased population growth and aging demographics are pushing the neutral rate down.
  • AI Impact: He acknowledges the potential for AI to create a productivity boom but finds it difficult to quantify and is humble about economists' ability to predict such impacts. He may have embedded some AI-driven productivity growth in his previous estimates.
• Roger Ferguson's View on Neutral Rate and Technology:
  • Intellectual Conundrum: Technology-driven supply shocks present an intellectual conundrum: they can increase the return on capital (potentially raising rates) or boost productivity, allowing the economy to run "hot" without inflation (potentially lowering rates).
  • Demographics: He agrees that demographic trends (aging population) should drive the neutral rate down. However, he notes that the behavior of older populations (continued investment) might complicate this theoretical link. He contrasts this with Japan's experience, where aging and financial shocks led to persistent disinflation.
  • Humility: Central bankers need to be humble about their ability to understand these complex dynamics.
• Demographics and Inflation: Governor Marin notes that declining demographics can be deflationary (due to reduced labor supply) or inflationary (due to less labor supply pushing up wages). The Japanese experience suggests demand-side effects can dominate, leading to deflationary pressures for decades.
• Fed Models and Distributional Issues:
  • Governor Marin's View: He agrees that distribution matters but notes it's a disputed subject. He emphasizes the importance of post-tax and transfer inequality and compensation inequality. He sees exciting work in this area but believes theories are still developing. The Fed is interested in how these models provide new insights but is not ready to discard old models. He views models as helpful for illustrating channels but not as reality itself, and the "right jacket for the weather" analogy suggests using different models for different circumstances.
  • Roger Ferguson's View: He believes Fed models already incorporate factors like the marginal propensity to consume, which is influenced by income and wealth distribution. He notes that high equity and housing valuations are considered in how these play through the models. He cautions against holding central banks responsible for things they cannot control, like asset prices, and advocates for focusing on the mandate of managing supply and demand for growth and inflation.
• Outrageous Prediction (10 Years):
  • Roger Ferguson: Believes we will be adapting to a world significantly shaped by AI, with a potential productivity boom, though the exact scale is unknown.
  • Governor Marin: Admits he has trouble predicting 10 months out, let alone 10 years, and declines to make a specific prediction.

Supporting Evidence/Arguments:

• Governor Marin: Uses his own shift in neutral rate estimates and the population shock as evidence for rapid change. He highlights the difficulty in quantifying AI's impact.
• Roger Ferguson: Uses the analogy of technology-driven supply shocks and demographic behavior to illustrate the intellectual challenges. He references the Japanese experience.
• Both: Emphasize humility and the evolving nature of economic understanding and modeling.

Conclusion/Synthesis

The discussion highlights the complex challenges facing central banks, particularly the Federal Reserve, in navigating a rapidly evolving economic landscape. Key takeaways include:

1. Measurement Matters: The accuracy of economic data, especially inflation metrics like housing, significantly impacts policy decisions. Mismeasurement can lead to policy errors.
2. Policy Stance Debate: There is a clear division within the Fed regarding the restrictiveness of current monetary policy, with differing interpretations of inflation data and labor market conditions.
3. Dollar's Resilience: Despite discussions of de-dollarization, the US dollar's position as the global reserve currency remains robust, though stablecoins may offer new avenues for dollar access in specific contexts.
4. Independence is Paramount: Central bank independence is crucial for effective monetary policy and requires a steadfast commitment to non-political operations and adherence to mandates.
5. Uncertainty and Adaptation: The neutral rate is influenced by complex, long-term trends like demographics and emerging technologies like AI, presenting significant intellectual challenges for economists and policymakers. The Fed must remain adaptable in its modeling and policy approaches.
6. Communication Challenges: Effectively communicating complex economic analyses and policy intentions to the public and markets remains an ongoing challenge, requiring clarity and a nuanced understanding from all parties.