Growth of Municipal ETFs, Grayscale Drop After IPO Filing | ETF IQ 11/17/2025

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Key Concepts

• ETF Flows: The movement of money into and out of Exchange Traded Funds.
• Treasuries: U.S. government debt securities, often considered a safe-haven asset.
• Gold: A precious metal often sought during times of economic uncertainty.
• Low-Volatility ETFs: Funds designed to minimize price fluctuations.
• Actively Managed Fixed Income ETFs: ETFs where a portfolio manager makes decisions about bond selection and duration.
• Duration: A measure of a bond's sensitivity to interest rate changes.
• Ultrashort Bonds: Bonds with very short maturities, offering low risk and low yield.
• Municipal Bonds (Munis): Bonds issued by state and local governments, often offering tax advantages.
• After-Tax Yield: The yield on an investment after accounting for taxes.
• Real Return: The return on an investment after accounting for inflation.
• High-Yield ETFs (Junk Bonds): ETFs that invest in bonds with lower credit ratings, offering higher potential returns but also higher risk.
• Passive ETFs: ETFs that track a specific index.
• ETF Share Classes: Different versions of an ETF designed for various investor needs, potentially including conversions from mutual funds.
• Thematic ETFs: ETFs that focus on specific investment themes or sectors.
• Psychedelics ETF: An ETF investing in companies involved in the research and development of psychedelic compounds for medical treatment.
• FDA Trials: The rigorous testing process required by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for new drugs and treatments.
• Psilocybin and MDMA: Psychedelic compounds being explored for therapeutic purposes.

ETF Flows and Market Sentiment

Eric Balchunas reports on significant ETF flows, noting that despite some market shakiness and investor fears, ETF investors are actively participating. He highlights Vanguard as a leading issuer in terms of inflows, potentially setting a new record for assets taken in by a single issuer.

Key Observations on Flows:

• Treasuries: While there were outflows in some Treasury ETFs, this was partially offset by a substantial $6 billion inflow into the SPY (an S&P 500 ETF). There's a notable build-up of money in Treasuries, suggesting investors are seeking safety amidst market nerves.
• Bitcoin: Experienced outflows of approximately $3 billion, indicating a rough patch for the cryptocurrency.
• "Safety Dance" Chart (Treasuries, Gold, Low-Vol): Gold has been at the top of this chart for the year, but in recent weeks, investors have shown less interest in it. Treasuries, however, are seeing increased investment. Balchunas posits that gold might be perceived as "toppy" (having reached its peak), leading investors to shift towards Treasuries.

Fixed Income and Treasury Demand

Jon Maier of J.P. Morgan Asset Management discusses the consistent bid into Treasuries and the outlook for fixed income ETFs.

Key Points on Fixed Income:

• Actively Managed Fixed Income ETFs: Half of J.P. Morgan's flows this year have been into actively managed fixed income ETFs.
• Rate Expectations: With the Federal Reserve reducing rates and expectations of further cuts, investors are seeking to maintain their yields.
• Duration Extension: While ultrashort bond funds are still attracting money, there's a diversification trend towards longer durations, including intermediate and intermediate core plus bonds. Investors are deploying cash from ultrashort into longer-duration assets to capitalize on anticipated rate decreases.
• Municipal Bonds (Munis): Munis are also seeing significant flows and interest, particularly from tax-sensitive investors looking to create sustainable after-tax yields. J.P. Morgan has two muni funds with approximately $10 billion in assets, with one being the largest actively managed ETF in the muni space.

Real Returns and Diversification in Fixed Income

The conversation touches upon the concept of real returns in fixed income and the importance of diversification.

Discussion on Real Returns:

• Eric Balchunas questions the real return of a conservative ETF like JPST (J.P. Morgan's short-term bond ETF), noting its 3% annualized return might be negligible after accounting for inflation. He suggests this frustration with bonds leads investors to seek other assets for positive real returns.
• Jon Maier clarifies that JPST is a conservative, investment-grade portfolio and not comparable to crypto. He emphasizes that investors should not solely rely on JPST but rather diversify their fixed income allocation.
• Diversification Strategy: Maier advocates for "laddering" the fixed income portion of a portfolio by moving into intermediate (around 5% yield) and longer durations (closer to 6% yield). This diversification, especially when equity valuations are high, helps reduce overall portfolio volatility.

The Credit Space and Active vs. Passive ETFs

The discussion shifts to the credit space, specifically high-yield ETFs, and the trend towards active management.

Key Insights on Credit ETFs:

• Passive Dominance in High-Yield: Currently, 90% of high-yield ETF assets are in passive vehicles.
• Rise of Active Management: Despite this, J.P. Morgan has an active junk bond fund. Maier attributes the historical dominance of passive to the way the ETF industry grew up, with active entrants arriving later.
• Investor Adaptation: Investors are becoming more accustomed to the ETF structure, including its transparency, and are realizing that active management can operate efficiently within it, similar to mutual funds.
• COVID's Impact: The ETF structure proved helpful during COVID, with ETF pricing influencing underlying market pricing, accelerating ETF adoption and improving market efficiency, particularly in fixed income.
• Flow Trends: This year, 40% of overall fixed income flows (both active and passive) have moved to active ETFs, a trend also seen in equities.
• Credit Pricing: The ETF structure provides real-time pricing for credit, which can be advantageous when the underlying market may not have a readily available bid, especially during periods of volatility. The volume in the 10 largest high-yield ETFs is significantly higher, particularly during volatile times.

ETF Share Classes and Future Developments

The potential impact of ETF share classes is discussed as a significant future development.

ETF Share Classes:

• Early Stages: While conversions and launches of ETF share classes are happening, final approval is not universal, and operational components for issuers and custodians need to be addressed.
• Reality of the Future: ETF share classes are considered a reality that will unfold.
• Unintended Consequences: There's anticipation of both positive and negative unintended consequences for mutual fund shareholders as this evolution takes place. This is expected to be a major topic of conversation in 2026.

ETF Brief: Issuer Flows and IPOs

Katie Greifeld provides an update on ETF issuer flows and the Grayscale IPO filing.

Issuer Flows:

• Vanguard vs. BlackRock: Vanguard is currently leading in ETF flows, having taken in over $300 billion in assets. This marks a shift from previous years when BlackRock held the top spot.

Exchanges and IPOs:

• NASDAQ: Is staffing up in anticipation of share classes next year.
• CBOE: Is taking a different approach, focusing on profitability rather than just the number of ETP listings.
• Grayscale IPO Filing: Grayscale, the firm behind GBTC (Grayscale Bitcoin Trust) with approximately $35 billion in assets under management and 40 products tied to over 45 tokens, has filed for an IPO under the ticker GRAY. This is notable given the struggles of other IPOs this year and the current flux in the crypto market.

Grayscale's IPO and Revenue Challenges

The rationale behind Grayscale's IPO and its financial situation are explored.

Grayscale's Financials and Strategy:

• Revenue Dependence: Grayscale's revenue is heavily reliant on assets under management, with over 80% coming from its assets. Outflows from these assets significantly impact revenue.
• GBTC's Significance: GBTC remains a substantial asset, generating significant revenue.
• First-Mover Advantage: Issuers are eager to be first to market with new products, especially in the crypto space, to capitalize on potential market upturns.
• Urgency for IPO: While the exact reasons for Grayscale's urgency are speculative, rumors of potential sales, issues with Genesis Trading, and changes within the company (including a new CEO) suggest they are preparing for a public offering or sale. The IPO will offer a pure-play opportunity.

The Psychedelics ETF

Eric Balchunas introduces the AdvisorShares Psychedelics ETF (PSIL), a thematic ETF focused on companies developing psychedelic drugs for medical treatment.

Psychedelics ETF (PSIL):

• Investment Focus: Invests in healthcare, pharma, and biotech companies making drugs derived from psychedelics (not just cannabis) for treating conditions like depression.
• Current Status: The ETF has $18 million in assets and a 1% expense ratio, which is considered "hefty."
• Performance: The ETF has experienced significant volatility, being about three times more volatile than the S&P 500. Its performance has been poor, down 80% over a period where the S&P 500 was up 59%.
• Market Catalyst Needed: The ETF is seen as needing a news catalyst to potentially "pop."

The Psychedelics Market and AdvisorShares Perspective

Dan Ahrens from AdvisorShares provides insights into the psychedelics ETF and the evolving market.

Key Points on the Psychedelics Market:

• Recent Turnaround: After three straight years of double-digit declines, the ETF has seen a significant turnaround in 2025, with a year-to-date return of approximately 62%.
• Drivers of Change:
  • Public Perception: Increased global acceptance of alternative healthcare treatments.
  • FDA Trials: Psychedelic treatments for conditions like traumatic brain injury, untreatable depression, and PTSD are progressing through FDA trials.
  • Investor Interest: Companies that were previously overlooked are now moving into later-stage clinical trials, attracting investor attention.
• Acquisition Potential: Many of these companies are unprofitable due to pipeline development, making them potential acquisition targets for larger pharmaceutical companies looking to refill their drug pipelines. An ETF structure allows investors to benefit from such premium buyouts.
• Distinction from Cannabis: Ahrens emphasizes that this ETF is entirely separate from cannabis. The companies involved are legal, NYSE and NASDAQ-listed biotech firms conducting FDA trials for legitimate treatments using psilocybin and MDMA.

Conclusion

The discussion on "ETF IQ" covered a range of critical topics in the ETF landscape. Flows indicate a continued investor appetite for ETFs, with Vanguard leading. The fixed income market is seeing a shift towards longer durations and actively managed products as investors seek yield and diversification amidst interest rate expectations. The credit space is also witnessing a move towards active management within the ETF structure. Looking ahead, ETF share classes are poised to be a significant development. In the thematic space, the Grayscale IPO signals continued activity in the crypto sector, while the nascent but potentially high-growth psychedelics ETF is showing signs of a turnaround driven by clinical trial progress and increasing acceptance of alternative therapies.