Crash Alert Or Wild Upside Next? Fund Manager Reveals What's Next For Gold, Miners | Adrian Day

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Key Concepts

• Gold Mania vs. Bull Market: Distinguishing between irrational exuberance (mania) and a sustained upward trend (bull market) in gold and gold stocks.
• GDX (VanEck Gold Miners ETF): An ETF that tracks an index of gold mining companies, used as a proxy for the gold mining sector.
• M&A (Mergers and Acquisitions): The process of companies combining or buying other companies, often seen as a sign of industry health or exuberance.
• Price-to-Earnings (P/E), Price-to-Cash Flow (P/CF), Price-to-NAV (Net Asset Value): Valuation metrics used to assess the financial health and attractiveness of companies.
• All-in Sustaining Costs (AISC): A comprehensive measure of the cost to produce an ounce of gold, including all operational and capital expenditures.
• Leverage: The tendency for gold stocks to move more significantly (up or down) than the price of gold itself.
• Central Bank Buying: A significant driver of gold demand, often for defensive or reserve diversification purposes.
• Price Agnostic/Inelastic Buyers: Buyers who are not primarily motivated by short-term price movements but by long-term strategic or defensive considerations.
• QE (Quantitative Easing): A monetary policy tool where a central bank purchases long-term securities to inject liquidity into the economy.
• QT (Quantitative Tightening): The opposite of QE, where a central bank reduces its balance sheet by selling securities or allowing them to mature.
• FOMC (Federal Open Market Committee): The monetary policymaking body of the Federal Reserve.
• Dual Mandate: The Federal Reserve's objectives of maximum employment and stable prices (low inflation).

Summary

The discussion features Adrian Day, President of Adrian Asset Management and Portfolio Manager of the EuroPacific Gold Fund, with host David, analyzing the current state of the gold market and gold mining stocks. The conversation addresses recent price pullbacks, comparisons to historical market tops, and the underlying drivers of gold's performance.

Current Market Conditions and Profit-Taking

• Recent Pullback: Gold has seen a pullback from $4,400 to $4,000, and the GDX (Gold Miners ETF) has fallen approximately 12-15% from its highs.
• Adrian Day's Strategy: Day is not actively taking profits on gold mining holdings after the recent decline, except for specific takeover situations like Probe. He has been raising some cash over the past few weeks.
• Investment Approach: For clients who are already reasonably fully invested in gold (e.g., 80% allocation), Day is not adding to positions, advocating for maintaining some cash reserves. However, for new accounts or those who have added capital and are underweight, he is taking advantage of the declines to buy.

Gold Stocks vs. Gold: A Historical Perspective

• GDX Performance: While the GDX has risen over 100% year-to-date, it has not exhibited its traditional leverage to gold.
• Valuation: Gold stocks are considered fundamentally cheap based on metrics like price-to-earnings, price-to-cash flow, and price-to-NAV. Margins are expanding as gold prices rise while costs remain relatively stable (AISC around $2100-$2200), leading to increased cash flow.
• Comparison to 2011: A key distinction is drawn between the current market and the 2011 top. In 2011, the industry engaged in excessive M&A, overpaying for marginal assets, a classic sign of a mania. This year, M&A activity has been more rational.
• Sentiment and Public Participation: The absence of a "mania" is highlighted by the lack of significant public participation. The GDX has experienced net outflows of over $3 billion year-to-date (over $4 billion for GDX and GDXJ combined), indicating selling rather than buying. Manic tops, by definition, require broad public involvement, which is currently missing.
• Historical Corrections: Day emphasizes that pullbacks and corrections are normal within a bull market, citing examples like gold dropping 50% in 10 months in 1974-75 or 30% in a week in 2006.

Fundamentals Driving Gold

• Defying Traditional Factors: Gold's recent rally is not solely driven by traditional economic factors like a lower dollar or declining real interest rates.
  • Dollar: While the dollar has declined, gold has continued to rise even when the dollar has stabilized.
  • Real Interest Rates: Real interest rates have been rising, not falling, contrary to historical patterns where they supported gold.
  • Inflation Expectations: Inflation expectations have risen somewhat, but gold's move has significantly outpaced them.
• Key Buyers: The primary buyers of gold over the last three years have been central banks, non-official Chinese buyers, and wealthy Middle Eastern families. These buyers are purchasing gold for defensive reasons and are largely price agnostic or inelastic.
• North American Investor Behavior: North American investors typically buy gold when economic conditions are conducive (weak economy, high inflation, low rates, falling dollar). This environment has not been the prevailing narrative for the past three years, explaining why North American investors have not been major participants and why gold stocks haven't shown typical leverage.
• Shifting Economic Scenario: The economic scenario in the US is beginning to change, with a relatively weak dollar, signs of labor market weakness (increasing continuing claims, longer job search times), and inflation that remains above pre-COVID levels. This shift is becoming more conducive to gold and gold assets.

The Nature of Gold Rallies and Miner Performance

• Sudden Rallies: The rapid parabolic move in gold during the summer is acknowledged. Day suggests that markets can sometimes rally due to "exhaustion" of sellers or a lack of willing buyers at higher prices, rather than a singular, immediate fundamental catalyst.
• Chinese Non-Official Buying: A significant spike in Chinese non-official buying was observed, evidenced by premiums on the Shanghai exchange and increased imports.
• Miner Profitability: The assertion that miners always find a way to lose money is refuted. While the gold price is a primary determinant, companies like Barrick, Newmont, Agnico Eagle, and Kinross have seen significant gains (around 100% year-to-date).
• Selecting Mining Stocks: Identifying outperforming mining companies involves looking beyond just the gold price. Key factors include:
  • Management Track Record: Evaluating how management performed during challenging periods like COVID-19 or previous bear markets.
  • Financial Discipline: Companies that maintain strong balance sheets, avoid excessive debt, and manage acquisitions prudently.
  • Operational Excellence: Proven ability to operate mines efficiently and extract maximum value.
  • Beta vs. Alpha: Investors seeking beta (sensitivity to gold price) will buy different stocks than those seeking alpha (outperformance through company-specific factors).

Portfolio Allocation and Federal Reserve Policy

• Bullion vs. Miners: Day recommends trimming gold bullion or ETFs and shifting into undervalued gold mining stocks, especially when gold has had a significant run-up. Gold bullion should be considered a permanent defensive position.
• Federal Reserve and Interest Rates:
  • Divergence within the Fed: There is growing dissent within the FOMC regarding interest rate policy, with some members advocating for no cuts in December.
  • Powell's Stance: Jerome Powell's comments suggest a divided board and a less certain path for future rate cuts.
  • Dual Mandate Challenge: The Fed faces a challenge balancing inflation control with supporting the labor market, potentially leading to a need to prioritize one over the other.
  • QE Potential: The impending end of QT (Quantitative Tightening) and the reinvestment of mortgage-backed securities into Treasuries suggest the Fed may be preparing for a new form of QE.
• Bullish Outlook for Gold: A scenario where rates remain stable or do not decline further, coupled with the introduction of QE, would be "wildly bullish for gold." Even if QE is not introduced and rates stay put, a slowing economy would also be bullish for gold.

Conclusion

Adrian Day concludes that there are currently no signs of a gold mania. The recent pullback is a normal correction within a longer-term bull market. The primary drivers of gold are now defensive purchases by central banks and other institutions, rather than traditional economic factors. The changing economic landscape in the US is becoming more supportive of gold. He advises investors to consider shifting from gold bullion to undervalued gold mining stocks, emphasizing the importance of management quality and financial discipline in selecting mining companies. The Federal Reserve's policy direction, particularly the potential for future QE, is seen as a significant bullish factor for gold.

Website: adrienday.com