Can the Relentless Bid be Stopped?

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Key Concepts

  • September Swoon Defied: Stock markets rose despite historical weakness in September.
  • Valuation Debate: Discussion on whether traditional valuation metrics are still applicable due to the dominance of large-cap tech and the AI revolution.
  • Leveraged Buyout (LBO): Electronic Arts' $55 billion deal as the largest LBO in history.
  • Market Performance Year-to-Date: Gold, global stocks, Bitcoin, S&P 500, and high-yield bonds showing gains; dollar and oil down.
  • Valuation Metrics: Forward P/E, Trailing P/E, CAPE ratio, and Price-to-Sales ratio discussed in the context of current market levels.
  • Equal-Weight vs. Market-Cap Weight: The difference in valuation when considering all stocks equally versus market capitalization.
  • Profit Growth and AI Revolution: The argument that high valuations are justified by significant profit growth and the long-term potential of AI infrastructure.
  • Kenny Paul Kerry's Insights: Expert opinion on market surprises, investor sentiment, sector rotation, and economic data.
  • Window Dressing: Asset managers adjusting portfolios at quarter-end to show holdings in winning stocks.
  • Federal Reserve Policy: Discussion on potential rate cuts, the balance between labor market and economic data, and historical parallels.
  • Normalization of Interest Rates: The argument that current interest rates are historically normal after a period of zero rates.
  • Top Performing Stocks: Analysis of surprising top performers beyond the "Magnificent Seven."
  • Economic Data Focus: Importance of services PMIs, consumer spending, and average hourly earnings.
  • Inflation Concerns: The possibility of reignited inflation and the "new 2%" inflation target.
  • Government Shutdown Risk: Potential impact on data releases and government operations.
  • FINRA Rule Change: Relaxation of pattern day trading rules and its implications for risk.
  • Hedge Fund Manager Agents: A potential indicator of market tops.
  • Gold and Silver Performance: Analysis of the rally in precious metals and their industrial applications.

Market Performance and Valuation Concerns

The stock market has defied the typical "September swoon," with stocks rising and ending the week higher, and looking to finish September in the green. This is unusual as September is historically one of the weakest months. Despite numerous "walls of worry" such as concerns about tariffs, a slowing labor market, and Federal Reserve actions, investors have continued to push equity markets higher, with the market currently sitting just 1-2% off all-time highs.

A significant event highlighted is Electronic Arts' agreement to go private in a $55 billion leveraged buyout (LBO), the largest in history, by Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund and Silver Lake. This deal is presented as another example of a large public company choosing to go private.

Year-to-date performance (three quarters in) shows strong gains in Gold (+41%), global stocks (+24%), and Bitcoin (+17%). The stock market itself (S&P 500) is up 12-13%, high-yield bonds are up 10%, while the dollar is down 9% and oil is down 10%.

A central debate revolves around market overvaluation. Traditional metrics suggest the market is expensive:

  • Forward Price-to-Earnings (P/E) ratio: At 22 times, the highest in many years, potentially since 2021, and certainly since the dot-com bubble burst.
  • Trailing P/E ratio: At 28 times, also considered very expensive.
  • Cyclically Adjusted Price-to-Earnings (CAPE) ratio (made famous by Robert Shiller): At 40 times, the highest since the dot-com bubble.

However, an alternative perspective suggests that these traditional metrics may no longer fully apply, especially for the companies driving market gains.

  • The Price-to-Sales ratio is at an all-time high of 3.33.
  • In contrast, the equal-weight S&P 500 Price-to-Sales ratio is within a 12-year range and appears relatively normal. This indicates that the perceived overvaluation is driven by the largest companies (e.g., Nvidia, Microsoft) rather than the market as a whole when weighted equally.

The argument is made that these dominant companies are significantly more profitable than in the past, with profit growth driving market returns since 2019, alongside favorable interest rates. Companies like Nvidia, Palantir, Microsoft, and Apple are building a $100 trillion AI infrastructure expected to take 5-10 years to complete, justifying higher valuations for some investors who are looking beyond traditional metrics.

Interview with Kenny Paul Kerry

Kenny Paul Kerry, Partner and Chief Strategist at Stonehaven Wealth, joined the discussion. He expressed surprise at the market's continued upside surprise, especially after the negativity in April. He noted the lack of volatility and the market's inability to "digest" its moves, with dips being quickly bought. This is attributed to asset managers and investors holding cash on the sidelines and then jumping in due to fear of missing out (FOMO) as markets reach new highs, particularly in tech.

Kerry stated that his firm is fully invested but not chasing performance. He highlighted that while he is bullish on America and tech, he believes there are opportunities in underperforming sectors such as energy, healthcare, basic materials, and consumer staples, which he describes as "boring" but potentially offering value.

Window Dressing and Quarter-End Dynamics

Kerry explained the concept of "window dressing," where asset managers sell losing positions and buy winning ones near the end of a quarter to make their portfolios appear stronger when reporting to investors. This activity, along with retail investors trying to catch up, may be contributing to the recent market push. However, he anticipates that the market will "wipe the slate clean" on October 1st, entering the fourth quarter with new dynamics.

Federal Reserve Policy and Interest Rates

The conversation touched upon the Federal Reserve's stance. Beth Hammock's comments suggest the Fed is concerned about balancing a weakening labor market with strong economic data. Kerry believes the narrative might shift from rapid rate cuts to a more cautious approach, potentially leading to only one more rate cut this year instead of two.

He argued that investors have looked beyond short-term Fed actions, anticipating a "dovish Fed for the next few years." However, he questioned how dovish the Fed can be if the economy remains strong. He suggested that current rates (around 4.25-4.50%) might be appropriate, and significant further cuts are unlikely unless something breaks. He drew a parallel to the 1978-79 period, where premature rate cuts by the Fed reignited inflation, forcing Paul Volcker to raise rates to 21%.

Kerry emphasized that 15 years of zero interest rates were abnormal, and the current period represents a normalization process. He believes rates between 4-6% are historically normal, and the desire for 2% mortgage rates is unrealistic in the current environment.

Top Stock Performers and Market Drivers

The discussion highlighted surprising top performers this year, including Robin Hood Markets (+226%), and chip-related companies. Kerry noted the significant outperformance of companies like Seagate Technology and Western Digital, which were once prominent but had faded from daily discussion, now showing triple-digit gains. He expressed some bewilderment at Robin Hood's massive surge, calling it an "ultimate example of a risk-on trade." He suggested that the difficulty in picking these top performers reinforces the idea that buying an index or ETF might be simpler.

Key Fundamental and Technical Indicators

Kerry's key fundamental watch is the strength of broader economic data, particularly services PMIs, which have remained in expansionary territory. He also monitors average hourly earnings and personal consumption/spending as indicators of consumer health. He noted that despite potentially negative consumer sentiment, actual spending numbers have been strong, suggesting consumers are not "throwing in the towel."

He believes the market will not fall apart unless inflation is reignited. He posits that 3% inflation might be the "new 2%", with the Fed subconsciously comfortable at this level. He expressed concern if unemployment ticks up quickly, which could be a "killer."

Fall Recipe and Wine Pairing

Kenny Paul Kerry shared a Pumpkin Risotto recipe, emphasizing the use of pumpkin puree over pie filling. Key ingredients include shallots, carnoli rice, white wine, chicken stock, and Parmesan cheese. He advised constant stirring and a cooking time of 20-25 minutes.

For wine pairings, he suggested a light red like Pinot Noir or a dry white like Pinot Grigio or Sauvignon Blanc, avoiding heavy reds or overly fruity whites.

Money in Motion: Gold and Silver

The segment highlighted gold hitting record highs, up approximately 46-47% year-to-date, serving as an inflation hedge and attracting central bank and individual investor interest. Silver is also nearing record highs, up 24% year-to-date, with a spot price around $46 per ounce. Silver's rally is attributed to similar factors as gold, plus its significant industrial applications. Both metals are expected to trend higher due to inflation concerns, a weakening dollar, and ongoing economic worries.

What to Watch This Week

The upcoming week presents several key events:

  • Potential Government Shutdown: If Congress fails to agree on short-term funding resolutions by Tuesday night. This could disrupt data collection and release, potentially impacting the jobs report.
  • Economic Data: Pending home sales (Monday), JOLTS report (Tuesday), consumer confidence (Tuesday), Case-Shiller home price index (Tuesday), ADP employment report (Wednesday), construction spending (Wednesday), S&P US manufacturing PMIs (Wednesday), initial jobless claims (Thursday), factory orders (Thursday), and Tesla deliveries (Thursday).
  • Jobs Report: The big September jobs report is scheduled for Friday, with a focus on job gains and the unemployment rate.
  • Fed Speakers: Numerous Federal Reserve officials are scheduled to speak throughout the week.
  • Earnings: Carnival Cruise Lines and Jefferies (Monday), Nike (Tuesday).

The Indicator of the Week

The AI Sentiment Survey is highlighted as the indicator of the week, showing more bulls than bears among individual investors for the first time this year. This surge in bullishness, as stocks near record highs, is a key focus.

Bonus Indicators: FINRA Rule Change and Hedge Fund Agents

Two additional points of interest:

  1. FINRA's relaxation of pattern day trading rules: Lowering the $25,000 account minimum to day trade could encourage more risk-taking. The advice given is to learn technical analysis and risk management, as approximately 95% of day traders lose money.
  2. Hedge fund managers needing agents: This trend, likened to athletes and entertainers, is presented as a potential signal of a market top, suggesting an "anything goes" environment.

The summary concludes by emphasizing the current "brave, new, and peculiar world" of investing and advising viewers to be safe.

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